About v25.2 issuses?

Debby
Debby Posts: 42 Contributor
edited March 10 in Device Protection

1.After DeepGuard was removed from the program revision, the use of scanning and targeting reports is too simple
From version 19.8 to version 25.2, the system has been greatly simplified, but there are too many scanning reports, which makes people feel uneasy, especially the "unscanned items" results cannot be seen

2.Is "unscanned items" manually Excluding files or folders from scanning?

3.Starting from March 3, the customer saw two processing programs "Endpoint Protection Service" and "Sentry Protection SDK" on the computer with Avira icons, which frightened him and worried about Avira mining. Does F-Secure have any relevant instructions for the services using this engine? Or can you provide a brief explanation to respond to customers?

4.The customer mentioned the browser reputation rating of URL analysis and found that after being temporarily "safe", it became "unanalyzed". Ask about the criteria for analysis judgment?

Answers

  • Firmy
    Firmy Posts: 2,183 Community Manager

    Hello @Debby

    Thank you for your question.

    1.After DeepGuard was removed from the program revision, the use of scanning and targeting reports is too simple

    From version 19.8 to version 25.2, the system has been greatly simplified, but there are too many scanning reports, which makes people feel uneasy, especially the "unscanned items" results cannot be seen

    2.Is "unscanned items" manually Excluding files or folders from scanning?

    If scanning is performed multiple times a week, F-Secure will not scan the same files again unless they have changed. This is expected behavior to optimize performance.

    It is normal for some files not to be scanned. Possible reasons include:

    1. Operating system protection – Some files are protected by the operating system and cannot be scanned.
    2. Permission restrictions – The file may belong to another user, and you may not have the necessary permissions to access it. To scan these files, try logging in with an administrator account.
    3. File in use – The file may be actively used by another application during the scan. To scan such files, close all applications and try again.

    These files are no longer displayed in the scanning report.

    3.Starting from March 3, the customer saw two processing programs "Endpoint Protection Service" and "Sentry Protection SDK" on the computer with Avira icons, which frightened him and worried about Avira mining. Does F-Secure have any relevant instructions for the services using this engine? Or can you provide a brief explanation to respond to customers?

    Both services are included in the F-Secure Total product and work with Virus Protection to detect and remove harmful files.

    4.The customer mentioned the browser reputation rating of URL analysis and found that after being temporarily "safe", it became "unanalyzed". Ask about the criteria for analysis judgment?

    Regarding website ratings, all safe websites are periodically re-evaluated by our cloud backend. While it is uncommon for users to see an "unknown" rating for frequently visited websites, it can occasionally happen for less-visited sites.

    Do let us know if you need further assistance.

    Thank you and have a lovely day.

    Firmy
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  • CB66
    CB66 Posts: 4 Explorer
    edited March 16

    Here's a test found on the net that leaving Deep Guard for Sentry seems not to have been a good deal.

    https://malwaretips.com/threads/f-secure-internet-security-v25-2.135103/

  • CB66
    CB66 Posts: 4 Explorer

    Ecco un test trovato in rete secondo cui lasciare Deep Guard per Sentry pare non sia stato un buon affare.

    https://malwaretips.com/threads/f-secure-internet-security-v25-2.135103/

  • CB66
    CB66 Posts: 4 Explorer
    edited March 16

    Here's a test found on the net that leaving Deep Guard for Sentry seems not to have been a good deal.

    https://malwaretips.com/threads/f-secure-internet-security-v25-2.135103/

  • IceMan7
    IceMan7 Posts: 27 Contributor
    edited March 17

    So now there is no proprietary Fsecure DeepGuard?What engines are there now? Any proprietary Fsecure left, including DeepGuard, or has Fsecure become a "clone" of Avira?

    Sentra by Avira replaced DeepGuard?

  • CB66
    CB66 Posts: 4 Explorer
  • IceMan7
    IceMan7 Posts: 27 Contributor
    edited March 17

    366 / 5 000

    I hope it didn't go that far.....But if it's true with Avira or some takeover by Gen Digital, then I'm really sorry :(

    Fsecure was really a very nice and decent antivirus.

    If it's true, then we'll have to apologize to Bitdefender or Eset. These are the only decent alternatives and they're European with their own engines and technologies.

  • IceMan7
    IceMan7 Posts: 27 Contributor

    Unfortunately it looks like Fsecure is now Avira. But we have to say goodbye.

    What a shame...

    R.I.P Fsecure :(

  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    But what a disappointment!

    the Avira icon eating our CPU and makes our computers hot. After +25 years appreciating and recommending F-secure to our friends I and my wife will have to leave F-secure because of this. No more a proprietary F-secure DeepGuard .. is this an update to make us leave? Even as we have paid to years end. What a shame ..F-Secure was really a nice and decent antivirus (and European). I am sure F-Secure will lose clients taking such bad decisions.

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  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    Help! I and My wife need to downgrade to use what we have paid for and this before overheating destroying our computers. This is flabbergasting bad How can this sabotage even be allowed to happen to a good product. How can we downgrade? Is it even possible? Please give step by step instructions.
    Thanks in advance, Carl

  • TVC15
    TVC15 Posts: 116 Adventurer
    edited March 24

    Hello,

    No help from me except, have you tried a device restart, have you tried an uninstall and reinstall?

    Other than my scan issue I posted elsewhere (below link), this version has had very little impact on my system (8 GB Ram, Intel i5-1235U 2.50GHz, Windows 11 24H2) It was that way with both Total and now Internet Security that I replaced it with (my Total subscription is expiring). Sometimes files open a little slow using this version, but here is where I'm at on my end.

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    Kind regards.

  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    Thanks

    we have Total until December (a 9 computers subscription) and forced to I will leave F-secure bc of this. For now just want to downgrade so we can use the money we paid for up until then. If I was I shareholder I would sell when taking such counter client bad service measures.

  • TVC15
    TVC15 Posts: 116 Adventurer

    Then it sounds like @Firmy will have to help you or steer you in the right direction. I suppose phone (I don't know if it's Toll-Free?) or chat support could help, scroll 1/2 down this page:

    https://www.f-secure.com/us-en/support#total

    I hope it gets resolved for you, Carl99.

  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    thank you so much

    this is really flabbergasting bad to clients like me. What happened to good old F-secure?
    It updated itself today and never in over 25 years have an update affected our computers in such a bad way. They made changes and our computers are spinning hot. I need to downgrade or use another antivirus BUT we shouldn't be needed for as we paid for this one.

  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    All the sudden my paid for antivurus F-secure became a problem much worse than actually having a Virus.

    It will kill our computers by overheating! Not only is "Endpoint Protection Service" eating a lot of memory it does it even when not using any program at all, not even the internet, it takes CPU and it takes memory like never before. AND its not only it self because it also connected to a DNS service client eating at the same table. Note that this was never like this before.

    The system full scan is so heavy one cannot work with anything besides it and trying to pause and restart works but all the same it now takes 100% of the computer CPU & half of the memory and sometimes 100% of the disk making it so hot I had to pause several times and restart (never so before) Just think how bad it is running for hours on 100%. How good is that for a computer? On pause "Endpoint Protection Service" still takes 35% CPU for a quite long time when "preparing to pause"... THEN it stopped during this process at 11% (those memory eating program also stopped eating ) AND although Windows at this moment reports warning "no antivirus protecting the computer" F-secure still tells me it is protected (it is not looking at the performance of mentioned files)

    The full scan process stopped but couldn't close the scanning screen. I cannot underscore enough how bad it is having a paid for antivirus not solving but GIVING us problems. A program not being optimized to eat less resources but now becoming useless. I ran the full scan the program once again. This time it reached the end but jumped from 11% to 100% all the sudden. It checked 25% more files this last time and found no viruses.

    So now while done this to the end. Opening Gmail or any site the Endpoint Protection Service and its connected DNS service process still takes around 20% constantly (and this was NOT like this before this update) .

    Moreover, I really enjoyed having and using the VPN as I'm living in a EU country where I was not born. It's also an extra security. I gladly paid for Freedome separately but then F-secure integrated it in Total so now because of these upgrades we will not only have to find another Antivirus but also another VPN provider. I am truly Sad and disappointed. How will F-secure gain clients this way?

    I will now want to downgrade to 19.8 or alike if I can stay on it and get only virus database updates or else get the money back for our 9 computer subscription. Seriously, how will F-secure make money by making so bad "updates" that it forces +25 years faithful clients to leave?

  • TomR
    TomR Posts: 4 Observer

    I have the exact same problem, my computer now runs so slow and I want to get rid of this unwantewd program. I have been using Fsecure products for mor than 20 years, but thgis is not what I pay for. I have a TOTAL 5 unit subscription Can someone from Fsecure plesa send me a mail? I have created a fsdiag.zip file, but I don’t know where to send it.

  • Debby
    Debby Posts: 42 Contributor
    edited April 17

    As far as I know

    You need to actively use "Chat with our experts".
    "Start chat" can be found at https://www.f-secure.com/en/support

    Their responses in the forum are not as immediate as "Chat with our experts"

  • Firmy
    Firmy Posts: 2,183 Community Manager

    Hello @Carl99 @TomR

    Kindly refer to our latest comment regarding the high CPU usage.

    And do let us know if you require further assistance.

    Thank you and have a lovely day.

    Firmy
    Community Manager | F-Secure Community
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  • Carl99
    Carl99 Posts: 23 Enthusiast

    Thank you for the kind offer which I appreciate but since F-secure support couldn't we had to uninstall. We couldn't have the fans run like this and overheat these computers and I fully understand there are limits to what the normally competent support can do when the problem is on another level - in this case it's not a fix in our computers which worked nicely until the high CPU usage problem appeared when the original antivirus motor was swapped in the March update and in this sense for a less good one. We had a 10 license 2 year subscription but are sadly out after 26 consecutive years. We still have the VPN for a while and might or not come back in a future but only if, and I doubt they will, walk back the swap because I guess we are like collateral damage having strong stable but older win10 PC laptops and likewise guessing someone has to justify the takeover having one and only one antivirus motor to maintain.

  • Debby
    Debby Posts: 42 Contributor

    FS has been updated to version 25.4.
    The description of the scan is quite reassuring
    It also solves the problem of recent user updates and interference with other software operations

    No harmful items were found
    Scanned items: 19298

    Version information is also clear
    Scan Engine:
    Core: 2.0.3.33
    Detection: 8.3.70.86 (2025-04-09)
    EPP: 1.0.2503.5246
    ODS: 1.0.2502.2322
    Quarantine: 1.0.2502.1553
    Remediation: 1.0.2502.2109
    VDF: 8.20.52.208 (2025-05-06)

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  • Debby
    Debby Posts: 42 Contributor
    edited May 7

    FS has been updated to version 25.4.
    The description of the scan is quite reassuring
    Most importantly
    Recently, there have been issues with users updating and failing, and FS interfering with other software operations.
    We can completely uninstall > restart > re-download and install version 25.4
    This allowed myself and other users to get a solution.

    We are happy to see that the usual updates are installed successfully without having to open and close the software
    ————-
    Scan Report :

    No harmful items were found
    Scanned items: 19298

    Version information is also clear
    Scan Engine:
    Core: 2.0.3.33
    Detection: 8.3.70.86 (2025-04-09)
    EPP: 1.0.2503.5246
    ODS: 1.0.2502.2322
    Quarantine: 1.0.2502.1553
    Remediation: 1.0.2502.2109
    VDF: 8.20.52.208 (2025-05-06)

  • Svalbardtom
    Svalbardtom Posts: 7 Explorer

    seems like this topic is discussed in two different threads. Anyway, after following the instructions from Firmy, the computer has to be started at least one hour previous to any planned jobs. The CPU , memory and disk usage is hovering around 100% for the best part of an hour and it frequently freezes up, rendering the computer useless for almost one hour after booting it. I have used F-sec for more than 20 years, but now I am seriously looking into a replacement. This is no goog, F-Secure.

  • Firmy
    Firmy Posts: 2,183 Community Manager

    Hello @Svalbardtom

    Thank you for your comment.

    We would appreciate your assistance in investigating this issue further. To help us better understand the issue, please generate a debug log and share the fsdiag file with us via private message once completed. I have sent you a private message with more details.

    We look forward to your response and appreciate your cooperation.

    Wishing you a wonderful day ahead.

    Firmy
    Community Manager | F-Secure Community
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  • TomR
    TomR Posts: 4 Observer

    for some reason I had two different accounts. The @Svalbardtom is now deleted. So Firmy, I received your mail. I have updated to v25.4. There’s no way I am able to start the debugging service.

  • Firmy
    Firmy Posts: 2,183 Community Manager

    Hello @TomR

    Thank you for your reply.

    Could you please let us know what exactly happens when you try to start the debugging service? For example, do you encounter any error messages, or does the service simply not respond?

    I have also sent you a private message with detailed instructions. Once you have enabled debug logging, feel free to share the fsdiag file with us.

    Thank you once again for your cooperation, and I hope you have a wonderful day.

    Firmy
    Community Manager | F-Secure Community
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  • TomR
    TomR Posts: 4 Observer

    I had to run F-Secure as administrator to get access to the debugging feature. So what is next?