24-01-2013 08:23 AM - edited 24-01-2013 08:31 AM
I appreciate that I have by F-Secure been raised in rank to "Occasional Advisor, Founder"...
I know it is their way of joking with me, but I take it as a sign that they do take my opinion seriously.
So to accordingly give some more advice:
As concerns possible choices of firewalls, there should in any case be the option of choosing a third-party firewall.
There may, however, be such an option indirectly in installing only the Anti-Malware and adding your own firewall, instead of installing the whole Internet Security.
29-01-2013 01:33 PM
... unless, of course, the Antimalware is also in the clouds ...
Read in the German PC-Magazin, 2/2013, p.20:
70 % of the Germans distrust the clouds.
82 % request that cloud users should have a legal certification,
The main worry: The security of private data in the clouds. Are data securely erased when so is requested?
Cloud services abroad are even more distrusted since privacy rukes are often less strict.
01-02-2013 02:53 PM
What other firewall are you intend to use???
The thing is that Deep Guard is fully integrated with Microsoft Windows firewall.
I'm not so sure if deep guard will still function properly if you were to use with other firewall.
If you intend to use other firewall. Then use F-Secure Antivirus instead.
01-02-2013 04:42 PM
This is my concern:
I used to have F-Secure Internet Security and still use version 2012. Now version 2013 is there and I – luckily before updating – discovered that it no more has its own firewall, at least not in the computer. Instead, it uses the Windows firewall that is known to not be the best one (rather a bit far from it…), especially for Windows XP. Later I found out that it, after all, does have an own firewall, but it is no more in your computer – it is “in the cloud”! That will be a potential risk, since the connection between your computer and the firewall in the cloud could be vulnerable and attractive for hackers and viruses. It will only be a matter of time until Hackers find a way to hack into it between the computer and the cloud. Furthermore, you never know how secure your data are that are stored in the “firewall in the sky”. Cloud-based applications may be OK, but certainly not in the case of an essential and “hacker-attractive” application as an Internet Security suite!
It seems that other Internet Security suites now are beginning to do it in similar ways. I don’t want a cloud-based Internet (In-)Security application.
So I want an Internet SECURITY that has everything essential in the computer,also the firewall. There atill are such suites.
02-02-2013 11:55 PM
The thing is Deep Guard is sitting right on top of the Microsoft Default Firewall.
Can you tell me what is the difference with the previous version of F-Secure 2012 Firewall?
Well I suggesting if you guys can write feedback base on your findings with F-Secure.
In a way, you are right.
So, what firewall did you intend to use?
There are some here which you can choose from.
05-02-2013 09:23 PM
Win XP + FS IS 2012
Could someone please give details about the "cloud based firewall" that is mentioned in this thread. Do you mean, that the firewall has to connect to an external database to check the application?
Have been using F-Secure products since 2003. These have proved really effective, and best in class. Though IS 2012 was suddenly a problem, because you couldn't turn off automatic updates. This was a real problem when logging on to my company network, because IS 2012 thought it had an internet connection, and stomped all over the log on and various security id protocols. Also the update attempts happening during use, caused me to lose data. I cured this by installing this firewall which works on the internal XP firewall, to block the IP addr of the update site. It has most of the features you need for configuring a firewall. I am guessing that it might not work with IS 2013. Not sure whether to renew or move on. Even Kaspersky 2012 allowed you to configure update times, and installation times of thew updates. I see that the business version of F-Secure comes with a Firewall and configurable update settings. It would seem tha F-Secure have removed useful features from the Home edition. Anybody know the cost of the business edition? I don't want to leave F-Secure, so that suite might be the answer, but real overkill.
06-02-2013 05:51 PM - edited 06-02-2013 05:51 PM
It is not up to me to give details about cloud-based functions here, I can only refer to the post by Jayson above.
As concerns firewalls. Of course one of the best!
03-04-2013 12:08 PM - edited 03-04-2013 12:14 PM
I used to have F-Secure Internet Security and still used version 2012. Now version 2013 is there and I – luckily before upgrading – discovered that it no more has its own firewall, at least not in the computer. Instead, it uses the Windows firewall that is known to not be the best one (rather a bit far from it…), especially for Windows XP. Later I found out that it, after all, does have an own firewall as an alternative, but it is no more in your computer – it is “in the cloud”! That will be a potential risk, since the connection between your computer and the firewall in the cloud could be vulnerable and attractive for hackers and viruses. Furthermore, you never know how secure your data are that are stored in the “firewall in the sky”. Cloud-based applications may be OK, but certainly not in the case of an essential and “hacker-attractive” application as an Internet Security suite!
It seems that some other Internet Security suites now are beginning to do it in similar ways. I don’t want a cloud-based Internet (In-)Security application. I have since quite some time been interested in Xxxx’s Internet Security that makes a good impression. In my computer, I have, in separate partitions, Windows XP Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate and Linux Mint. So I uninstalled F-Secure in Windows XP and installed Xxxx. The installation seemed to run OK, but when I at the end clicked “Finish”, a BSOD (“Blue Screen of Death”) came up!! Reason: “BAD_POOL_CALLER”, suggestion: reboot. So I rebooted. Windows XP started up OK but then ended with a blank desktop. No icons at all and no start button! Nothing but Windows’ wallpaper. I rebooted again (even twice) and the same thing happened. It looked like explorer.exe was not running. The file was still there (I could look into that partition from Windows 7), but apparently didn’t get started. It looked like Xxxx deleted or quarantined some system file that would have started it. But the cause really was another.
It was not the fault of Xxxx! The real cause was an unclean uninstallion of F-Secure. The F-Secure Uninstaller failed and gave an error message, and I, therefore, uninstalled the “Windows” way. Then I again ran the F-Secure Uninstaller (after rebooting), which now seemed to work, and I ran it twice in the attempt to get rid of everything left behind by F-Secure. Still, the registry had many entries from F-Secure that had not been removed, so I had to remove them manually. Then I reinstalled Xxxx. It then turned out that the delayed appearance of the icons (2 minutes in the beginning) had to do with a learning procedure of the software after starting Windows. The delay became less at every start until it disappeared.
And what if this then should happen again in Windows 7? Even though I am using almost only that one for the time being, I am tempted to return to Windows XP because of all the annoyances with Windows 7 (see below). I could, however and after much work, overcome most of them and get Windows 7 reasonably the way I want to have it. This is, however, one of the reasons why I certainly will not install the “annoyances galore” Windows 8 (see below), but rather dig much deeper into Linux! Where, so far, viruses are much less of a problem, anyway… But I learned from this experience with the Windows XP partition and am now ready to switch to another Internet Security also for Windows 7.
So far, I kept F-Secure Internet Security 2012 in my Windows 7 partition. Recently, however, it without asking upgraded itself against my will to version 2013! I wanted to keep the firewall of version 2012, but they didn’t let me. Shame upon them! That is another complaint I have against F-Secure – besides the unclean uninstallation. So much more a reason to switch...
Computer magazines and Internet discussions reveal that sensitive data and functions are potentially unsafe “in the cloud.” Personal data are more easily available to hackers and you are never sure that they really disappear if you delete them. If the firewall function is “in the cloud”, there will be several new ways for hackers to bypass the firewall or fiddle with it, or in some other way intrude into your computer, among others because there is an Internet link between your computer and that firewall that will certainly be attractive for hackers to mess with. Because of that, many an “Internet Security Suite” to day rather becomes a bit of an “Insecurity Suite”...
01-05-2013 08:32 PM
You forgot that with the Windows Firewall the steps to take to get protected or open up ports is so much longer and just doesnt make sense. You need to come up with your own firewall for the FIS 2014, it's just too much hassle to go through at the moment. And as you can read in multiple magazines and websites that have reviewed FIS2013 pretty much all of them complain about this, if that is not enough to make you change your mind then I dont know what would be.
And for gods sake do something about the 4-click system you have now to reach the settings, very unfriendly towards the users.
Accepted Solution (by Jayson)
F-Secure Internet Security 2013 includes a new Cloud-based firewall with intelligent control by DeepGuard, which is the essential to counter today’s malware and online attacks! It automatically prevents exploits from entering the computer and malware from stealing private data.
For manual firewall rules, we utilize the built-in Microsoft firewall, which offers better compatibility with IPv6 and third party applications. The Windows's Port Filter for inbound protection which in practice will be blocking all inbound traffic. There is not much room for improvement here and one port filter is as good as the other.
Please find the article explaining what happened to the new firewall functionality and find more detail comments here. Also, find the review of F-Secure Internet Security 2013 by PCMag.com here and AV-Test.org here.
Hope this helps you understand the new implementation of the firewall in Internet Security 2013 better.
Edited: Review by AV-Test added.